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Why ATLA is AMAZING and this kind of comment annoying

Yes, the show is not historically accurate, because it is not a historical drama. It is a fantasy world that draws on real cultures and events.

There is a difference and acting like they just pulled things out of thin air annoys the hell out of me, and it is incredibly disrespectful to their work.

I really do not get people like this. They get shown that the creators did amazing amounts of research to get things right and then they turn around and go: Meeeh, who cares, I bet they didn’t mean to spend those hours doing research for their work.

The amazing world building sets their work apart from all the mediocre shitty mass-produced cartoons out there. I pity you if you cannot tell which is which.



Toph’s Family is wearing Tang Dynasty clothing.

Throughout all atla nations we can see people wear different types of hanfu.

Hanfu 汉服 or Han Chinese Clothing, or Chinese Silk Robe refers to the historical dress of the Han Chinese people, which was worn for millennia before the conquest by the Manchus and the establishment of the Qing Dynasty in 1644.

The style we see Toph and her mother wear is from the Tang dynasty.

Note: The whole of the atla universe is a collage of China through the ages, with one dynasty prevalent in on specific region, with added outside influences i.e. Fire Nation architecture is strongly influenced by Thai architecture.

Click this! Pretty damn amazing re-enactment! Click! I know you want to!

More Tang Dynasty style hanfu i.e. pretty pictures!

More pretty pictures: Hanfu of different dynasties

Interesting. However i don’t think the show was supposed to be historically accurate. Its in its own dimension. :)

(Reblogged from xxxsilentxsorrowxxx)

Yu Dao – Republic City – the END and TRANSITIONING of Colonies and how Jin is sick and tired of all the bullshit she’s seen on the issue

First of all: The whole Yu Dao – Republic City issue is political commentary on Hong Kong.

Let’s go from there. This is a story about a fictionalized Hong Kong. It is not about Palestine, Africa or India or any other similar issue. If you want that I suggest watching DS9, or watch an actual movie about those specific issues. There are plenty, yet this is not one of it. Hong Kong deserves their story told too.

In case you missed this: The whole Avatarverse is full of political commentary on China e.g. Tibet-Air Nomads, Dai Li , Laogai, Kuei to name the least subtle ones.

This is NOT about:

-Aang vs. Zuko (and I frankly do not give a shit about who you wuuuuf more)

-Imperialism. Yes, you read that right. This is not about Imperialism; it is about what happens AFTER the fact, and what to do when transitioning away from it and let me tell you there are very few examples that did not go badly.

Harping on and on how imperialism is wrong makes you sound like a broken record of captain obvious.

I am sick and tired of people talking about issues simply because they know which side is ‘right’ for that specific issue. Frankly the self-righteous posturing is getting old, guys. So far you have yet to manage to say one word that is relevant to the show or the comic.

By making it about any other place than Hong Kong you are as bad as Shyamalan. Stop superimposing other histories/events/countries. You are racebending the issue.


On a side note:

Saying that ‘all foreigners should just get kicked out’ makes you especially historically ignorant. The times that happened it ended in wholesale massacres of hundreds of thousands of people, both in China and Japan. Also, shouldn’t a lot of you guys not be packing? Last time I checked the US, Canada, Australia etc were all colonies at one point.

Repost: Republic City, Yu Dao, Imperialism, the Boxer Rebellion and Hong Kong

Republic City, Yu Dao, Imperialism, the Boxer Rebellion and Hong Kong

This post does contain spoilers for The Promise.

In ‘The Promise’ we see Kuei, Aang and Zuko agree on a treaty called ‘Harmony Restoration Movement’ which contains plans to dismantle all Fire Nation colonies and remove them from the Earth Kingdom. Later we see unrest at the oldest colony city Yu Dao (150 years plus). The inhabitants of the city are unwilling to leave and are under siege from angry Earth Kingdomers who want the ‘foreigners’ gone from their lands.

First: Avatar has a long history of political commentary, let me refresh you on some of the times ATLA has done this before i.e. made reference to the political system in China. This is by far the only time. There is the Avatar = Dalai Lama - Tibet parallel, which I have pointed out before.

Another major dig is “Lake Lao Gai”. Laogai is not a made up phrase, quite the contrary:

Laogai 劳改 is the abbreviation for Láodòng Gǎizào (勞動改造/劳动改造), which means “reform through labor,” i.e. the slogan of the Chinese criminal justice system and has been used to refer to the use of prison labor and prison farms in the People’s Republic of China (PRC).

Other minor ones include: Kuei is a play on the last Emperor Pu Yi, down to the name i.e. Kui (pronounced Kuei) means ‘puppet’. The last emperor is referred to as the ‘Puppet Emperor’.

Also note that Avatar draws on many time periods at once, and not in order.

Back on topic:

Let’s start with the “Harmony Restoration Movement”. This is a loaded phrase in Chinese.  It is either referring to ‘Harmonious Society’ a term used by the current government:

While initially the public’s reaction to the idea was positive, over the  years “Harmonious Society” has become a satirical placeholder for    “stability at all costs.” The government often uses
    “Harmonious Society”  as a euphemism to justify the suppression of dissent and the tight  control on information in China. Some social commentators have   pointed out the irony that in building a “harmonious society” the country has become less just, less equal, and less fair.

Or to the Boxer Rebellion, which was about removing foreign influence from China after the Opium Wars. Or in this case ‘removing the foreign influences from the EK.

The Opium wars, caused by Britain/East India Company unwillingness to pay for the coveted Chinese goods (tea, silk) in the nation’s standard silver currency. This caused a trade imbalance that they decided to even out by addicting a whole country to opium, which they smuggled in through the southern border. The Chinese government did, oddly enough, not welcome these methods, which led to the first and the second opium war, both of which China lost desperately. As a result Hong Kong was ceded to Britain and a lot of residual anger in the Chinese population led to the formation of the Boxers.

The Boxer Rebellion, also called the Boxer Uprising by some historians or the Righteous Harmony Society Movement in northern China, was a proto-nationalist movement by the “Righteous Harmony Society” (義和團 - Yìhétuán), or “Righteous Fists of Harmony” or “Society of Righteous and Harmonious Fists” (known as “Boxers” in English), in China between 1898 and 1901, opposing foreign imperialism and Christianity. The uprising took place in response to foreign “spheres of influence” in China, with grievances ranging from opium traders, political invasion, economic manipulation, to missionary evangelism. In China, popular sentiment remained resistant to foreign influences, and anger rose over the “unequal treaties” (不平等條約), which the weak Qing state could not resist. Concerns grew that missionaries and Chinese Christians could use this decline to their advantage, appropriating lands and property of unwilling Chinese peasants to give to the church. This sentiment resulted in violent revolts against foreign interests.

Remember: Kuei is already a play on the last Emperor of the Qing dynasty.

Now what does this mean:

Mainly that anything called ‘Harmonious Restoration Movement’ is not a good thing. It is either a comment on the current censorship or the mob justice of the Boxer Rebellion, or both. In either case this does not bode well.

Yu Dao’s parallels to Hong Kong

The Boxer Rebellion maps up very well onto the Yu Dao protests. Both, the Boxers, as well as the protesters outside of Yu Dao want the imperialist foreigners out of their country.

Hong Kong was ceded to England after China lost the Opium Wars. It was the price of peace.

The Earth Kingdom is weak, they just lost the war. The only reason there is peace is because Zuko agrees to it. Sure, Aang could replace him, but a) who with and b) that would mean civil war and not peace.

What this means is, if Zuko does not want to give Yu Dao back, it will not happen unless everyone wants to risk another war. So, peace happens because the Fire Nation gets what they want, just as England did get what they wanted from the Qing Empire.

How does that make the Republic City a political comment on Hong Kong?

First of all both of them were already existing smaller cities that had been taken from China/the EK as colonies. Hong Kong was ceded to Britain in 1842 after the Opium Wars.

Both were colonies for about 150 years. In 1997 Britain handed Hong Kong back to Chinese control, but the two, Hong Kong and Mainland China have remained semi separate under the ‘one country, two systems’ principle. 1842 to 1997 equals over 150 years. Yu Dao was the first colony, established long before Roku’s death (we seem him visit it) and with the war not starting for years after and then lasting 100 years, it is fair to say that Yu Dao was a Fire Nation colony for up to 150 years.

Neither, Yu Dao nor Hong Kong, wanted to return to their country of origin. Being free, democratic and affluent, Hong Kong obviously had severe reservations against being ‘returned’ to Mainland China.

In ‘The Promise’ the whole plot is build around Yu Dao inhabitants not wanting to leave or be part of the Earth Kingdom again.

Both are affluent colonies, with mixed population that show that imperialism does not always have to end badly. With Republic City being a comment on how Hong Kong should have become a country and not been handed back over to China.

Interview about Republic City with the creators